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CHUCK TODD:

This Sunday, Covid: comeback and challenge.

LESTER HOLT:

A jump in cases of a deadly mystery virus.

CHUCK TODD:

Nearly a year and a half after the pandemic hit —

HEALTH CARE WORKER:

It looks like a war zone.

CHUCK TODD:

— with a president refusing to face the crisis —

PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.

CHUCK TODD:

— and much of the country turning into a coast-to-coast ER.

HEALTH CARE WORKER:

I’ve treated over a thousand patients so far myself. Unfortunately, I’ve seen too many of them die.

HEALTH CARE WORKER:

I couldn’t get through the next day of work without breaking down.

CHUCK TODD:

Life-saving vaccines developed in record time came to the rescue.

DR. STEPHEN HAHN:

The FDA authorized for emergency use the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine.

MIKE PENCE:

It’s a medical miracle.

CHUCK TODD:

Now, as cases and deaths plunge and the country reopens —

CONCERT-GOER:

Unbelievably amazing to go to a concert for the first time.

CHUCK TODD:

— new challenges. Millions still refusing to be vaccinated.

UNVACCINATED PERSON:

I made it this far without getting Covid, and I don’t need to get vaccinated.

UNVACCINATED PERSON:

I don’t trust it. I’m sorry, but I just don’t.

CHUCK TODD:

And a new variant hitting the U.S. —

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

We’re seeing this Delta variant double every two weeks.

CHUCK TODD:

— and causing lockdowns around the world. This morning, we look at our comeback from Covid, how it’s changed how we live, how we work and how we go to school, and at the challenges still ahead. I’ll talk to Dr. Anthony Fauci and to a leader in the effort to vaccinate the world. Welcome to Sunday and a special edition of Meet the Press.

ANNOUNCER:

From NBC News in Washington, the longest running show in television history. This is a special edition of Meet the Press with Chuck Todd.

CHUCK TODD:

Good Sunday morning, and a Happy July 4th Independence Day to everyone. Just as we now read about the Great Influenza of 1918 and ’19, it is likely that a hundred years from now, people will read about the Covid-19 pandemic. What are they going to take away from that history lesson? Without question, things have improved, with the number of cases dropping dramatically since January. Still, through the month of June some 608,000 Americans had died from Covid-19, including over 9,000 in the month of June, more than in World War II, World War I and Vietnam combined. At one point, the U.S. was doing so badly that though we have only 4% of the world’s population, we accounted for nearly 20% of the world’s deaths. Since then, we have gone from being the leading example among industrialized countries of how not to handle a pandemic, to a nation tentatively declaring its independence from the virus as other countries face renewed lockdowns. This morning, we’re going to look back to where we’ve been, and we’re going to look forward to the challenges ahead as the growing Delta variant and vaccine hesitancy pose a threat to our own recovery here. And we’ll be asking, what could we have done better? What have we learned? Why do some people get perilously ill, while others remain asymptomatic? And finally, how prepared are we for when — not if, but, sadly, when — the next pandemic hits us?

JOSÉ DÍAZ-BALART:

A mystery virus.

LESTER HOLT:

A jump in cases of a deadly mystery virus.

DAVID MUIR:

Authorities confirm it is being spread from human to human.

CHUCK TODD:

More than 17 months after the first case of Covid-19 was identified in the United States, the pandemic has fundamentally shifted life for all of us, politically and personally.

HEALTH CARE WORKER:

It’s almost like you’re drowning from the inside.

HEALTH CARE WORKER:

Having a patient ask you if they’re dying.

HEALTH CARE WORKER:

The whole time she just kept saying, “I’m trying. I’m trying, and I can’t breathe.”

CHUCK TODD:

Taking a deadly toll on the nation.

TAMIKA BAILEY:

Christmas will not be the same, nor any other holiday because my mom is no longer here.

CHUCK TODD:

Now, after grief, trauma, isolation and anxiety, and an unparalleled scientific breakthrough, America is reopening.

CONCERT-GOER:

Unbelievably amazing to go to a concert for the first time.

REPORTER:

How does this compare to where we were six or eight months ago?

GREG CHIN:

It’s a night and day difference. We were back to normal as far as domestic passengers is concerned.

CHUCK TODD:

But even with the worry about contracting Covid at its lowest point on record, just 29% of Americans say the pandemic is over.

PRES. BIDEN:

Let’s celebrate the Fourth of July with the independence from the virus. We can get this done.

CHUCK TODD:

Despite the nation’s recent wide scale success in vaccinating a lot of Americans, President Biden has fallen short of his goal.

PRES. BIDEN:

Our goal by July 4th is to have 70% of adult Americans with at least one shot.

CHUCK TODD:

The nation is still recovering from the Trump administration’s initial massive failure to respond to the pandemic.

PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. We are going down, not up. We are going very substantially down, not up. It’s going to disappear.

CHUCK TODD:

Misinformation, originating from the Trump White House —

PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

This is going to go away without a vaccine. Masks have problems, too.

CHUCK TODD:

— spread on right-wing media —

TUCKER CARLSON:

If the vaccine was so great, why were all these people lying about it?

CHUCK TODD:

— has taken root, aggravating vaccine hesitancy.

UNVACCINATED PERSON:

I haven’t taken the vaccine. And the reason is, I don’t trust it. I’m sorry, but I just don’t.

UNVACCINATED PERSON:

I think we’re moving into a medical dictatorship.

CHUCK TODD:

Eighteen of the 20 states with the lowest vaccination rates are led by Republican governors. The pandemic has also hardened the nation’s health disparities, disproportionately affecting Black and Latino communities, who also lag behind on vaccination rates. Though the economy is coming back, those gains are not equally shared. Last month, 63 million U.S. adults said it was difficult to cover their usual household expenses. One in five renters living with children were not caught up on rent. One in eight did not have enough to eat. Low-income students have been disproportionately left behind, and the pandemic has taken a toll on the nation’s mental health.

WEST VIRGINIA RESIDENT:

We’ve all been shut up way too long.

CHUCK TODD:

Now, as the U.S. celebrates its overall vaccination success, anxiety is rising about new variants.

DR. TEDROS ADHANOM GHEBREYESUS:

Delta is the most transmissible of the variants identified so far. It has been identified in at least 85 countries.

CHUCK TODD:

And there is now growing confusion about mask-wearing, with the WHO recommending mask-wearing indoors, even for the vaccinated. The CDC disagrees.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE:

The bottom line is the CDC still says if you are vaccinated, you don’t have to wear a mask.

DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY:

That’s exactly right.

CHUCK TODD:

And if ever we had a guest who required, really, no introduction, it’s the man joining me now. It’s Doctor Anthony Fauci, who is the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Doctor Fauci, welcome back once again to Meet the Press, sir.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

Thank you, Chuck. Thank you for having me.

CHUCK TODD:

It’s disconcerting to realize that we have nearly 10,000 people die of COVID in this most recent month that we completed in June. How preventable were each one of those deaths? And how many of them were unvaccinated?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

Well, if you look at the number of deaths, about 99.2% of them are unvaccinated. About 0.8% are vaccinated. No vaccine is perfect. But when you talk about the avoidability of hospitalization and death, Chuck, it’s really sad and tragic that most all of these are avoidable and preventable.

I mean, obviously there are going to be some people, because of the variability among people and their response to vaccine, that you’ll see some who are vaccinated and still get into trouble and get hospitalized and die. But the overwhelming proportion of people who get into trouble are the unvaccinated. Which is the reason why we say this is really entirely avoidable and preventable.

CHUCK TODD:

Look, we’ve discussed this over and over again about what’s driving this. There’s always been sort of an anti-vaccine 10 to 15%. But it isn’t just the 10 to 15%. There’s clearly been a political divide that’s put over this. Have you discovered any new breakthroughs on how to break through this — this wall of hesitancy? Because, again, I mean, I wanted to lead with this question. I think every death right now is nearly preventable. And yet we’re knowingly watching ourselves — watching us kill ourselves.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

It’s — it’s terrible, Chuck. Particularly, you know, for those of us who’ve dealt with diseases in which you don’t have an effective countermeasure, like a prevention. I mean, over the decades that I’ve been doing this, you’re frustrated because you have diseases where you don’t have an appropriate countermeasure, be it prevention or a treatment. And then when you have a situation like you have today, where you have a formidable enemy in the virus that has tragically really disrupted our planet now for about a year and a half, destructive — destroyed economies, have just disrupted us in every possible way, and yet we do have a countermeasure that’s highly, highly effective. And that’s the reason why it’s all the more sad and all the more tragic why it isn’t being completely implemented in this country. And whatever the reasons, as you said, some of them are ideologic, some of them are just fundamentally anti-vax or anti-science or what have you. But, you know, we just need to put that aside now. We’re dealing with a historic situation with this pandemic. And we do have the tools to counter it. So for goodness’ sakes, put aside all of those differences and realize that the common enemy is the virus. And we have a tool, a highly effective tool against this virus. And we in our country are very fortunate, Chuck. We have enough vaccines to vaccinate essentially everybody in the country. And there are people throughout the world who would do anything to get vaccines. If you look at the world situation, you know, 10% of the world is vaccinated. We could vaccinate everybody if they would wind up saying that, “Let’s just put everything aside and get vaccinated and put an end to this terrible tragedy.”

CHUCK TODD:

Let’s talk about the Delta variant. It — it is clearly the most transmissible variant we’ve dealt with yet. Is it more lethal? And how concerned are you that it is — that it could cause another spike in this country?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

Well, a couple of answers to the questions, Chuck. First of all, right now the experience that we’re seeing with this is that it is clearly more transmiss — transmissible. It is more effective and efficient in its ability to transmit from person to person. And studies that we’ve seen where they have been the variant that’s dominated in other countries, it’s clear that it appears to be more lethal in the sense of more serious — allow you to get more serious disease leading to hospitalization, and in some cases leading to deaths. That’s clearly the issue. Now, with regard to your other question, what was the other question, Chuck? I’m sorry.

CHUCK TODD:

No, no, no. It’s how in danger are we in this–

(CROSSTALK)

CHUCK TODD:

–variant creating a spike?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

Well, I think when you talk about how much of a danger it is to do a spike, I think you then have to look at the country as a whole. And those areas of the country in which you have a low level of vaccination and a high level of viral dynamics. That’s the thing that gets confusing. As a nation as a whole we are doing very well. We have more than 50% — about 50% of the adult population that’s fully vaccinated. We have now more than — about 66%, 67% of the adult population that’s at least one dose. The elderly have been vaccinated to the tune of more than 80%, and the deaths have gone down by that. That’s the country as a whole. But we have a big country with disparity in the willingness to be vaccinated. So there are some states where the level of vaccination of an– individuals is 35% or less. Under those circumstances you might expect to see spikes in certain regions, in certain states, cities, or counties. I don’t think you’re going to be seeing anything nationwide. Because fortunately, we have a substantial proportion of the population vaccinated. So it’s going to be regional. And that’s the thing that will be confusing when people look at what we do. We’re going to see, and I’ve said, almost two types of America.

CHUCK TODD:

Mmm-hmm.

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

You know, those regions of America —

CHUCK TODD:

Yeah–

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

which are highly vaccinated and we have a low level of dynamics of infection. And in some places, some states, some cities, some areas, where the level of vaccination is low and the level of virus dissemination is high. That’s where you’re going to see the spikes.

CHUCK TODD:

Well, let’s talk about a specific here. We know Mississippi’s one of the lowest, I believe it has the lowest vaccinated rate in the country. If you were in Biloxi, Mississippi right now, Doctor Fauci, would you be wearing a mask? You’re fully vaccinated. But would you be wearing a mask in Biloxi, Mississippi?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:

I think there would be good reason to do that. I mean, because as we’ve said so often, that vaccines are not, even as good as they are and highly effective, nothing is 100%. And if you put yourself in an environment in which you have a high level of viral dynamics and a very low level of vaccine, you might want to go the extra step and say, “When I’m in that area where there’s a considerable degree of viral circulation, I might want to go the extra mile to be cautious enough to make sure that I get the extra added level of protection. Even though the vaccines themselves are highly effective.”

CHUCK TODD:

Asymptomatic spread was the real killer with this virus, right? It’s what — what’s made it so difficult at times when we first were dealing with it. Can a fully vaccinated person be an asymptomatic spreader of the virus and, more importantly, this variant?

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